[00:00:08] Speaker A: You're listening to faith in healthcare, the cmda matters podcast. Here's your host, Dr. Mike chubb.
[00:00:19] Speaker B: Welcome, friends, to Faith in Healthcare.
You know what, if the ministry or responsibility that you keep telling yourself you don't have time for is exactly where God is asking you to step in with full lives and demanding medical careers. My guests today, doctors Shea Moore and Tony Kim, weren't initially sure that they had the capacity to help lead CMDA's community in Colorado Springs. But when Dr. Arne and Lois Anfeld prepared to step away after 40 years of faithful leadership in Colorado Springs, well, they discovered that God had been arranging an answer that neither of them saw coming.
In this episode today, Shea and Tony share how God used years of prayer to bring just the right people together at the right time.
We're also going to discuss why Christian healthcare professionals we need a community where we don't have to explain either the pressures of medicine or the convictions that guide us.
If you've ever wondered whether you have the time or the experience to answer God's call, their story today might just encourage you to reconsider what God can do with a willing yes, I welcome you right now to listen in.
Well, today on Faith and Health Care, it is an incredible privilege for me to welcome to the program two retired Air Force veterans who have played a significant role in leading one of our chapters that's been in existence for a number of years. And there has been a significant development of chapters, CMDA chapters and ministries in communities in Colorado. And that just has been very timely because of our recent national convention in Loveland, Colorado. So today my guests are Dr. Tony Kim and Dr. Shea Moore and have met both of them, including attendance at a recent national convention. And we've had a chance to fellowship, especially with you, Dr. Moore, at spring Canyon Summer Camp. And we'll get into that here in a minute. But welcome today to Faith and Healthcare, both of you.
[00:02:46] Speaker C: Thanks.
[00:02:47] Speaker D: Thank you so much for having us. Dr. Shepp.
[00:02:49] Speaker B: I'm excited to have our listeners hear about your background and investment in local ministry. So, Shea, let's start with you. Talk just a little bit about your family and your practice there in Colorado Springs, and then we'll have Tony follow up with that.
[00:03:02] Speaker D: Definitely. So I'm a family medicine physician and have the privilege of inheriting a practice from two recently retired physicians. And so a large geriatric focus on what I do every day. My husband, Brian and I have three kids that are in the ages between diapers and driving. So it's a little bit Busy time frame for us, but we're making it work and we're so blessed.
[00:03:29] Speaker C: Great. And Tony, I had served in the air force for 27 years, retired and moved out to Colorado Springs, where I joined a group, and I'm with Emergency medicine now, covering emergency departments with UC Health.
And it's been a real blessing. And I met Shay while we were here and. And then I started participating in cmda, and it's been a real blessing to be a part of that. As for my family, my wife and I married as I was in medical school, and we have four children ages 28 to 23.
And I'm in a season of life now where as an empty nester, I have a little more time to be involved. And it's. It's just been a great blessing. Thank you.
[00:04:14] Speaker B: Tony. Why don't you tell our audience, both of you, let's start with you, Tony, how you got involved in the beginning with CMDA.
[00:04:22] Speaker C: So, first year of medical school, back in the 90s, I had come across during a club kind of meeting, like the different organizations, and that's the first I ever heard of cmda. So I joined. And so I've been a member of CMDA since the mid-90s, and for various reasons, as I was stationed overseas, probably nearly half my career, I. I never really participated in much of cmda, but I had been an active member, dues pay member, and always read and enjoyed listening to the CMDA CDs that used to be mailed out, things like that
[00:05:02] Speaker B: in the old days.
[00:05:03] Speaker C: Right. And.
And then now, here in Colorado Springs, I was invited to attend one of the local chapter meetings where I met Shea and the previous president for the local chapter.
And Shea convinced me to work with her to lead our chapter. And here we are.
[00:05:24] Speaker B: Yeah. A new season for you and for Colorado Springs, of course.
[00:05:28] Speaker C: Shay.
[00:05:29] Speaker B: I think it has to do with Dallas back in the day.
[00:05:32] Speaker D: It sure does. My memory goes back to dinner with Dr. Ron Yamamoto and his precious wife, Joyce. They had taken out a whole group of medical students my first year, and I remember them asking, well, what are you doing this summer, Shay? And I told them, there's a camp out in Colorado.
It has medical week, and it's for officers that are Christian. And they look at each other and they're like, yes, our best friend started that. Dr. Lois. Sorry, Dr. Arnie and Lois Onfelt. And we've been going every year. Would you like to ride with us?
So that is kind of my. My introduction. So it were to both CMDA and officers Christian Fellowship through Spring Canyon.
[00:06:17] Speaker B: And I had the blessed opportunity to be there just a few summers ago and to be one of your speakers that shared that week. And I was just so amazed. I think I came away from that week convinced, of course, that God has his people, his precious sons and daughters placed in every arena of life, including public services in the military, just blown away by families that were so committed and bringing up their children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. And it left me just so thrilled and wanting to learn more about this synergy because a number of you wear two hats, you know, Officers Christian Fellowship as well as cmda. So talk a little bit about that synergy, which of course is at a premium there in Colorado Springs with the Air Force Academy. One of both of you talk a little bit about synergy between OCF and CMDA over the years.
[00:07:12] Speaker D: Mostly it's a natural juxtaposition of our leadership and members. I know Dr. Anfeld and Lois both started Medical Week and they have a prior history of serving.
Their family has military all over them. And it is something that has just been a natural partnership in a lot of ways. But it's also not formalized in any way. So we go to both picnics and you know, both ministries are full of amazing people.
[00:07:41] Speaker B: Tony, you want to add to that,
[00:07:43] Speaker C: just like Shay said, it's not any kind of formal arrangement, but there are folks that are part of OCF naturally as Christian officers and then, and then there are physicians and it just kind of naturally happens like that. And the Spring Canyon is a, is a wonderful venue and has been gracious to allow this group to have Medical Week. And it, it seems so good that many members I know, the Whit Marshes, I think they've said they've gone every year for over two decades.
It's just a real sweet fellowship.
Personally, I have not been because I volunteer with OCF doing Rocky Mountain High leading cadets on a week long in the wilderness. And so I just can't get the extra time off during the same month. So I've not been part of Medical week. But it certainly seems to be a wonderful synergy like you say.
[00:08:43] Speaker B: Well, I've had the wonderful double combo. I've also spoken at White Sulphur Springs, another OCF camp in Pennsylvania. My wife and I were blessed that week as well.
Well, let's switch gears. I know that it's not only obviously military folks, Christians who are part of your Colorado Springs fellowship. So a question that we're always talking about Here at cmva, especially in our campus and community ministries, is, you know, what is the secret sauce dependent upon? The Holy Spirit, of course, that draws busy physicians, dentists, PAs, nurse practitioners, PTs, you know, the whole gamut into regular community.
With you there in Colorado Springs, maybe what personal or professional needs or gaps are there that you find that those who gather together with you on a regular basis, whether it's monthly or bimonthly, what is it that you see as common testimonies among your members?
[00:09:40] Speaker D: I'm just thinking about our one physician who has been in private practice for years and struggling with landlord issues.
It's going to be hard for her to take that to her church in a way that church members will understand.
And similarly, if she takes it to non believing medical professionals, they might not have the same values as she travels through that journey. And I think it's just a nice place to where you can go and not have to explain where you came from.
There's really fast community when it comes to people of the same values and then also walking the same busy, busy paths.
[00:10:24] Speaker C: Tony, I want to give credit to the Anfeldts. They really built the foundation of this group that's fairly large.
I don't know about other chapters across the country, but I get the sense that we're pretty large number of people and she and I are just really blessed to take on an organization or a group that is so well formed. And I think what the Anfelds did that Shay and I really hope that we're honoring the Anfeld's work is that we want to create an environment where you can get away from the stress a little bit and like Shay said, get to know each other and not have to explain the stressors of medical life and do it over as a time with, with a nice dinner and a speaker where it's just a nice getaway. But we, Shea and I also felt that we wanted to expand that Shay really felt like to really get to know each other better in a large organization is to have small group meetings. And so Shay's idea that we start having small groups as well, and that actually has been a real blessing because we've had some folks that came up and talked to me and said I don't like the large group settings, I like the small group settings. This one particular physician does not attend any of our quarterly speaker and dinner events, but has come to the small group sessions. And so that provided an opportunity for some folks to really get involved in a way that, that they wouldn't otherwise in large Group settings and vice versa. Some people don't want the small group. They just want to come hear a nice speaker and kind of socialize in that way. And so we've been trying to brainstorm ideas about how to meet our members needs and what they want.
[00:12:20] Speaker B: Yeah, some great insight, Tony, because it really syncs with what we are seeing here in Tri Cities, Tennessee, because our leadership in Johnson City has said the same thing, that they're just really enjoying small group, but that maybe once a quarter, as you've suggested, to bring the various small groups together and have a speaker on a topic that's cutting edge.
You bring up Arne and Lois and their leadership. And our Western Region director, Wes Earhart has just bragged on you guys and how you've taken the baton.
And I believe it's because there's some shared roles. It's a different. It's not just a single leader, but share a team. So talk to us a little bit about how not every generational handover is successful. Sometimes things just die, if you will, when the previous generation retires and moves on or passes away. So tell us what's been the factors involved with carrying on and taking the baton successfully?
[00:13:20] Speaker D: Say first prayer.
I know for a fact that Lois and Arnie were praying for years for this ministry to have that transition. They led for 40 years here in Colorado Springs before it was CMDA. And they had been approaching me for a few years actually looking for somebody to help take over and lead. And my answer kept being not yet. I'm traveling once a month. I have young kids, I'm practicing. And I remember Tony's name coming up from Dr. John Newcomer. And we had gathered actually at spring Canyon maybe three years ago. And they said, what about Dr. Kim?
I had never met this Tony Kim until a year later.
And there was a meeting where the Anfeldt son, who was the chief surgeon at the army base locally, had a fantastic talk. And at the end of it, this is.
I remember the moment because he stands up there and he says, okay, let's get real. If you all enjoy coming to these meetings, my parents have done it for too long and they're tired and they need someone to step in. And I just felt the Holy Spirit go, okay, Shay. It's literally throwing four parties a year.
You're a prior sorority rush planner. Like you can do that.
And I met Tony that night and I said, I'll do it if you do it. And so I had no idea. It was his first Colorado Springs meeting, but his reputation went before Him. And to his credit, he said yes. And your idea of it being just a shared responsibility, I think we knew that we couldn't do it alone. And we pulled in Sandy White, who I knew from working in the hospital previously, and she was a provider relations liaison and had just recently retired. And so she had all this experience talking with physicians and coordinating things and booking venues and catering. And so she rounded out our team with Dr. Robert Spiess being treasurer for many years, an old friend of mine. Tony, it has just been a beautiful transition, and we're so, so grateful because all of that was, I'm 100% convinced, grounded in prayer for years from those faithful Anfelds.
[00:15:49] Speaker B: Tony, anything to add to what she has described?
[00:15:52] Speaker C: Looking back over how it all happened, it. To me, I see the. The fingerprints of God and the Holy Spirit working it all out, like she said, prepping the field through prayer by the Anfelds, and then Shay's heart being softened over a couple. Couple years or more of kind of, you know, consider doing this. John Newcomer is a neighbor of mine, but he's.
He's a retired pulmonologist, but he had been asking me for over one year. It's like, you know, you should really, really need somebody to step up. And I kept saying the same thing, like, Shay, it's like, I don't have time. I know. No, no, no.
And then at that meeting, this, when she wasn't, like, expecting to raise her arm, but after Eric on felt was putting out an appeal for someone to step up, the Holy Spirit really convicted Shea. I was literally walking out on my way, like, leaving the event to go to the car when I met Shay and we talked, and I just felt really convicted. It's like, I need to participate more actively. And so all that, it wasn't just coincidence.
It was the Holy Spirit getting the right people, softening our hearts, prepping the field, and at just the right timing, the answer was, like, pretty clear. It's like, yeah, for such a time as this, we. We just need to step up and.
And take the reins from the Anfelds and, you know, thank. Thank the Lord that he's really made a smooth transition.
And, like, I'm not. I don't like public speaking so much, and Shay does much better at our speaker events. Kind of like getting to know people. I'm more of the background.
I just organize things. I send emails.
[00:17:51] Speaker D: Tony is brilliant at the details, so I am not that guy. And I'm really, really thankful. I mean, it's truly.
[00:17:58] Speaker B: There's no Successful CMDA ministry without a Tony Kim in the background.
[00:18:03] Speaker C: As you describe yourself, there's a good synergy. Each of us have our strength and it's been great.
[00:18:08] Speaker B: It's the body of Christ, isn't it? One of the common denominators across so many ministries is the ability for the graduates, for those in practice, to be able to interact with those in training. What does that look like in Colorado Springs?
[00:18:23] Speaker D: Oh, we do not have a medical school here and so we are not built around student ministry per se.
So I would say those opportunities are kind of rare. We've had a residency program reach out to our members to say we're doing a rotation in the NICU in Colorado Springs. Could our students be housed with some of your members when they go there?
So answering that kind of call, yesterday I had the privilege of commissioning my former scribe into the Air Force and he is going to be going to medical school up in Northern Colorado and joining the Air Force. And that was such a privilege. So I'm hoping to get him plugged in up there. And he and some other friends have come to our meeting. Some, but they're pre med students and just again planting those seeds and just being willing to go where we're led.
[00:19:14] Speaker C: Yeah, we have had a couple Rocky Vista Medical School, it's a do school up toward Denver. We've had a couple of them come to our events, but they're not local. So we don't regularly have interaction with medical students.
But we certainly would love to have that. Whenever medical students are in the Colorado Springs area on a rotation and I get the sense that they are of faith, I kind of start having those conversations and I'll invite them.
But it's been rare for them to be able to come because they're on a shift or they're working when we have our events, things like that. So we don't regularly have students. But you know, we would love to have more.
[00:20:03] Speaker B: Well, I'll talk with our VP of Campus and Community Ministries, Bill Reichert, about how we need to have folks come and do benchmarking with your ministry because a large ministry not associated with medical school, those really don't exist, except maybe now in Colorado Springs. It's confirmed for me.
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[00:22:00] Speaker B: Well, mentoring and discipleship are a huge part of CMDA and equipping. As I mentioned, the next generation, but equipping those who are new to the faith within a healthcare practice. And one of the tools I have used now for a couple decades is Richard Foster's book entitled A Celebration of Discipline, and he goes through the various spiritual disciplines and the way that Foster describes community.
I wanted to run this passage and see what you think as you think about your own community.
Foster says. Christian communities are tenderly aggressive, meekly powerful, suffering, but overcoming. So I want to ask both of you, how might that description apply to your Colorado Springs chapter?
[00:22:48] Speaker D: The moment with Eric Onfelt was the one that came to mind with the tenderly aggressive having an army colonel telling somebody to step up. You know, I think we're at those baby stages in our cmda, you know, rather than just having it be a consumer kind of mentality. Everybody comes and has an amazing speaker because we have had amazing speakers and then goes home. We've been trying to build that community so that we can speak into each other's lives and be there when we are suffering and struggling together.
But that takes time. And you know, I don't think we're quite there yet. Like a, like a church small group would be, you know, when you meet up every two months or something. But that's what we're hoping to build over time.
[00:23:34] Speaker B: Sometimes I'll just tell you this. Sometimes when someone from the outside comes in like yours truly, and sees the community at work like I did at Spring Canyon, I was just taken aback by the gatherings that you did every day, the prayer times together, the tears that were shed, and the history of Arne's struggle with malignancy and the prayer and the passion and the laying on of hands that made me think of Foster's comment honestly.
[00:24:03] Speaker D: So I'm not sure we can extrapolate what we experience at Medical Week at Spring Canyon to the greater Colorado Springs, CMDA community. Yet to your point, I remember going as a medical student and it was maybe 10 years until I got a chance to go again to Medical Week as a medical student. That group of physicians that goes every year with their families, like Tony said, had prayed for a spouse for me.
And I just was in a really tough place because what godly man is going to sign up to do life with a military physician that's going to be moving around all the time and not have his own aspirations?
The next time I got to go, I got to introduce them not only to Brian, but to my one year old, Alyssa. And that was just an answer to prayer to the point where when I moved to Colorado Springs on Air Force orders, I knew more people living here than I did in the whole of New Mexico after three years.
So the military community and Spring Canyon, I. I cannot encourage people enough to go and make time for that medical week. It is truly born out of, again. Arnie and Lois's heartfelt desire to share life together and can accomplish in one week there is astounding.
[00:25:22] Speaker B: Tony.
[00:25:23] Speaker C: Although I've not been to Medical Week, everything I hear, I would encourage CMBA members across the nation. This is not for our chapter. People come from all around the country, actually, year after year. And so this really is open to anyone.
And so from what I hear, you will be blessed during Medical Week to go to Spring Canyon.
[00:25:49] Speaker B: Well, you both heard me share at the national convention in April that we have developed with the board a promise, a commitment that CMDA makes to our members. And it's what I think about every day here in Bristol, Tennessee about serving our members by helping you keep your faith and healthcare connected always.
Both of you are gonna be seeing patients later today. And so I wanted to ask you, what are the kinds of ministries or resources that over the years, cause you've both been with CMDA for a long time, that have been especially helpful to you. I know, Shay, that you've been involved, you were involved in faith prescriptions, saline solution, saline process. Now. So talk to me just a little bit. Whether it's. It's being on mission, Tony, that you described to me before we got going, or just give us your thoughts.
[00:26:43] Speaker C: So trying to connect our faith and healthcare.
One of the things that Shay and I felt we wanted to do was highlight some of the ways in which our members can be involved in giving back to the community.
I know for a lot of us, we felt called to go into medicine for a bigger calling, not just because it's honorable profession or you make, you know, a good income or whatever. Most of us, as providers of faith, felt called to go into medicine to help people.
And with our skill set, it'd be nice to be able to give back to the community.
As an ER physician, my shift and a shift worker, I cannot be involved in any regular weekly kind of things. And so I can't even attend church more than 50% of the time because I'm on shift in the ER half the weekends or half, half the weekends in a month. And so I have a hard time participating in ministry at church. And so I felt called through, through Christian radio. I heard an ad about a, a free clinic downtown and they could use more volunteers. So I called them up and I felt a need to contribute in that way, especially now that I have more time as an empty nester. And so what Shay and I have done at our meetings is we highlight a local ministry and there's a handful of free clinics, some are for women only, that are in difficult situations, shelters, that kind of thing, other free clinics, free dental kind of stuff. And we have them come up and give a little, little short, little talk about their ministry and we want to encourage our members to do that. And I guess in a certain way that's sort of being, as they say, tenderly aggressive. Yes, I somewhat tenderly, aggressively try to encourage our folks to contribute their skill set, their God given skill set to give it back to the community.
[00:28:49] Speaker B: Yeah, that's iron sharpening iron if you ask me. And I think that's what this community foster talks about, should be doing. Great example. Shay, how about you?
[00:28:58] Speaker D: I just, we still use the faith prescriptions in our small groups. So that is an incredible tool to just turn on the computer and say, go and okay, let's have a talk, you know, 15 minute video and then opening up a topic that's applicable to the audience has been a really, really easy resource that you can, you can just plug and play, so to speak. And so whoever's leading, there's a leader's guide and you don't have to prepare a lot. Like that's a huge blessing to practicing physicians trying to in this space, Mike. So first off, plug for that.
[00:29:35] Speaker C: Kudos to Griff. Bill Griffin came in, he was one of our speakers and he, he was introducing and did some of that. And from that idea, Shea felt like, you know, we should incorporate this in our small groups. And we have and it's been, it's been really good and I'd encourage other chapters. That's an, it's a Nice, easy way to have some Q and A and just kind of dig deeper.
[00:30:00] Speaker D: Just the resources as an organization that CMDA has available, knowing that if I get sued, there's a malpractice ministry. If we have placement service needs, we can go do that. I've done coaching, which has been really incredible, and I've definitely encouraged other physicians that are struggling to give those guys a call.
So as far as being on mission, it's such an incredible thing to.
To come alongside other physicians, other physician assistants or associates, medical students, whoever it is, there's something that they're going through to have a place to point them to.
We just really appreciate being an extension of the national CMTA mission, too.
[00:30:40] Speaker B: Well, you both had the opportunity to be at our national convention, as I mentioned earlier. What were each of your favorite parts of the national convention in April in Loveland? And what, maybe what elevator speech or pitch would you give to our listeners as we prepare at the end of April of 2027 to be in the Cincinnati, the greater Cincinnati area, actually Northern Kentucky in Covington, under the theme at the table that from Psalm 23, you know, prepares a table in the presence of our enemy. So, favorite parts and pitch.
[00:31:14] Speaker C: What really motivated me was hearing from some of the speakers that were convicted to stand for truth. I don't remember her name, but she was faculty in Michigan, and she talked about how she was essentially trying to be canceled by her school for being willing to stand for truth regarding some of the different social issues of the day.
And then hearing John Stonestreet, of course, he's big on. On truth and being willing to stand up for what we believe, and even being willing to live out a. A life of being willing to be fired, so to speak.
Not that we need to be confrontational, but hearing other physicians that are willing to stand up for truth and not just go along to get along, I think was empowering to me to essentially live out my faith in with greater conviction. And because of that, and from the national convention and hearing the speakers, I've actually begun to pray more regularly during my ER shifts. It was a rare thing for me to do in the past, but since the national convention, I've really listened to the Holy Spirit prompting me, and I've prayed more regularly on shifts with some patients and being willing to let people know I am a Christian physician, but not in a way that I'm trying to shove it down their throats or anything like that.
But by doing that, I just found that patients, even if they're not Christian, they Appreciate it as long as it's come across well.
And one example I had. This is kind of funny. I was reducing this lady's wrist fracture.
So she had the distal radius fracture. It needed to be reduced. I put her in finger traps and her hand was being held up.
I had a couple technicians kind of hold her arms up. And I didn't know if anybody in the room was Christian. I said, if you know any biblical stories, this is kind of like when Moses arms had to be held up by Aaron and her to beat the Amalekites.
[00:33:35] Speaker B: Beautiful.
[00:33:36] Speaker C: We're going to keep your arm held up for a little bit and the fingertips and then we can get them out of the finger traps. I'm going to have my text hold your arm up like Aaron and her while we put the splint on and everything.
And to my wonderful surprise, my patients really appreciated that they did happen to be Christian, but I didn't know they were. And what was really cool is the radiate radiology technician who's of Indian heritage, and he totally got it. And he and I, after that, after that patient encounter, he came up to me and said he really appreciated that. And he said, I'm a Christian. I'm from the southern part of India where the Christian community is. And that's where traditionally Thomas is known to have gone. And so I just had a real connection with him and another medical technician that just really appreciated that. So I think sometimes if we follow the Holy Spirit's prompting and do so in a winsome way, we're really doing a favor to our patients and our care. And it was the national convention and hearing some of the speakers that helped motivate me to not hide my faith, so to speak.
[00:34:50] Speaker B: Wow. Well done. Tony Shay, how about you?
[00:34:52] Speaker D: I just hope you bring the acapella group back.
[00:34:56] Speaker B: They are. They are coming. Shine is returning.
[00:34:59] Speaker D: It's worth going. That's my whole elevator pitch.
But honestly, being in the room with a thousand other doctors and doctors, families, like worshiping the Lord together was so powerful.
Where else do you get that?
Nowhere. Nowhere. This side Heaven. So, you know, just like Tony said, Dr. Kristen Collier's, her experience and being able to hear what she went through at the University of Michigan and being emboldened by. By John Stonestreet too, and. But honestly, just. Just that shared breath that you can have breathes back into you like the life that it gives to then go back to the. Back to. Back to war, really, in a lot of ways.
[00:35:44] Speaker B: Well, please both of you and our listeners be Praying because we are reaching out. And actually at that banquet, the John St.
I sat with Kristen Colley and her husband next to me and we began a discussion which continues and we have been urged by Health and Human Services of our federal government. Yet we can tell lots of stories about conscience compromises, but they want data. And so Kristin has agreed to work with us and we will be working with our partners in the alliance for Hippocratic Medicine to put together in the next 12 months a research project in which we ask questions of large institution 4th year students about conscience issues and about decisions they're making regarding specialty and location for their training and how the concerns they might have for how they would have to compromise their faith might influence those choices. So that's in the works. I appreciate your prayers that we'll be able a year from now to talk about the results of that study. So yes, Kristen has had an impact upon us, a challenge. And actually we're soon to have this coming fall a livestream webinar with Kristen and two other panelists to talk about artificial intelligence because she writes not infrequently about it and is a guru there too.
Well, thank you for joining me today on faith and healthcare and for painting a beautiful picture of what community among Christ followers in healthcare looks like. And I'm excited for the future and I bet Arne and Lois are just so pleased and proud that God has answered their 40 year prayers that this would continue.
And of course in Colorado Springs, some would argue it's one of the epicenters for Christianity or at least has been with Focus on the Family, Colson center there so many other faith based ministries, Summit Ministries and so forth. So just delighted and maybe we'll send some potential listeners who are like, ah, we want to follow their example. And so maybe I'll connect you so they can come and pay a visit and check out how this all works in Colorado Springs.
[00:37:52] Speaker D: We would love that.
[00:37:53] Speaker C: Thank you, Dr. Chap. I appreciate the opportunity.
[00:37:56] Speaker B: Well, this vision of patients arms being raised that you just described, Tony, I hope you have something similar in your shift later today in the emergency room. So God bless you both and eager to see a number of people from Colorado Springs and the new Northern Colorado chapter which Our President elect Dr. Kara Brown is helping to lead with her husband Matt and and in Denver, a chapter. So I forget the number of the interstate that's going north south, but we call it that corridor where CMD is growing.
[00:38:28] Speaker C: Awesome.
[00:38:29] Speaker B: All right, bye for now. Lord bless you both.
[00:38:31] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:38:31] Speaker D: And to you.
[00:38:43] Speaker B: Doctors Moore and Kim's story.
I think it leaves each of us with an important what might God already be preparing you or me to say yes to?
Shay and Tony didn't step forward because their schedule suddenly became less demanding or because either of them felt capable of leading alone.
They said yes, and God brought the need and the timing together at once.
As Tony described it, they could see the fingerprints of God throughout the entire transition.
Your invitation, friends, may not be to lead a ministry.
It may simply be to show up and serve alongside someone else with the gifts that God has already given you.
We may not always feel ready, but we can remain attentive to the Holy Spirit and willing when he prompts us.
We will include links in today's show notes to the medical week at Spring Canyon that our guests today were excited about, as well as the White Sulphur Springs camp for healthcare professionals and their families. Who'd like to learn more?
Well, next week, Physician Assistant Valerie Kloosterman joins Dr. Bricklance and me to share what happened when her Christian convictions and her professional conscience collided with her employer's policies, a conflict that ended in her firing and a years long legal battle. Her testimony, friends, is powerful. So please join us next week.
I do want to thank you for listening today to Faith and Healthcare where our promise to you as a listener or better yet, a subscriber to this podcast is this.
We will do everything that we can to help you keep your faith and healthcare connected.
We'll see you next time, Lord willing.
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