[00:00:08] Speaker A: You're listening to Faith in healthcare, the CMDA Matters podcast. Here's your host, Dr. Mike Chubb.
[00:00:19] Speaker B: Welcome, friends, to Faith in Healthcare, where we continue to explore the issues that matter most to Christian healthcare professionals. So whether you're in healthcare or married or otherwise connected to someone who is, or you're simply interested in how God is working through Christ followers in patient care and beyond, we're glad that you're here in this episode. Today we're going on the road to Cairo, Egypt, where I recently attended the Doctors With a Mission conference. I had the opportunity in Cairo to sit down with Dr. Greta Gamal, and she's a pediatric specialist and director of operations for the Christian Medical Fellowship there in Egypt. She's been leading teams that bring physical, emotional and spiritual care to underserved communities all across Egypt and the Gulf. You're going to hear how calling and courage come to life for God's glory through the work of Dr. Greta and the Christian Medical Fellowship community.
You know, I was there in a very unique environment. For the first time in my life. I was with over 200 Christian physicians, dentists, and other healthcare professionals who were worshiping God. They were doing it in Arabic and of course the Arabic Alphabet, I can't read it. I couldn't sing the songs. And so it was almost as if God was saying, mike, for two or three days, I just want you to be quiet and enjoy the spirit of worship of God's people and here in the Gulf. And it just really touched my heart. And I did learn two words in Arabic, actually. One is Shukran, which means thank you very much, like Swahili that I knew in Kenya, Shukrani. The other word was the theme of our conference, which was heal me, Lord, heal me. As a healthcare professional, heal me. And Ishfini. And the theme song over and over again, Ishvini, heal me. Interestingly enough, before I went on this trip, I had like one of the worst bike accidents I've ever had. I rolled my bike and I had chest pain. I think I broke a rib and I had terrible knee swelling. I wonder if I was even be able to go. But it was wonderful to be with God's people in Cairo in this worship setting, with doctors who were on mission and to be singing with them. Ishfini. God, heal me. Heal my body, Heal my heart, my soul, my mind.
And I got to meet some really committed Christ followers. Arabs in an environment where they are in the minority. Even in Egypt, 15%, I believe, are Christians.
To hear their hearts for the Great Commission and how there was celebration at this meeting for two or three days for any of their own Egyptian missionaries working cross culturally. I heard from a Tunisian doctor who didn't speak much English at all. And through a translator, he wept for the plight of Syrian refugees, Syrians who had escaped from the violence and the danger in their home country of Syria and had immigrated to Tunisia and had nothing. And this Tunisian doctor just wept over the patients who were coming to his clinic there and asked us to pray for him as he represented Christ with these refugees. Friends, God is doing some pretty amazing things in the Gulf and his work is being done. His kingdom is being advanced in spite of persecution, in spite of adversity.
Well, as a nice bonus this week you're also going to hear a short cameo from Dara Love. She's a medical student in Texas, in San Antonio, who's been thinking deeply about standing firm in her faith while still in training. She's going to share with us how public Christian courage has shaped her readiness to speak with conviction and compassion frankly, when it might cost her in her future and a possible residency. And with her classmates, we're going to also talk about how she balances boldness with professional ethics and what maybe real moments in medical school today have taught her about courage in action.
Wherever you're listening from today, your clinic, your call room or on a commute to work, my prayer is that this episode helps you lift your eyes to Jesus Christ to continue to love your patients and to live out your faith with conviction and grace before a watching world.
Well, today on faith and health care, I'm actually had the privilege of coming to the country of Egypt and I'm outside of Cairo. And this week I've met a wonderful physician, a leader who actually leads the Christian Medical Fellowship of Egypt, the equivalent of CMDAUS. And that's Dr. Greta or Greta, who's a pediatrician. And thank you for the wonderful hospitality that you have shown to me this weekend.
[00:05:20] Speaker C: Thank you.
[00:05:22] Speaker D: Honored to be with us.
[00:05:24] Speaker B: Dr. Dr. Guetta, would you tell our listeners and our watchers how did you get involved as a Christ follower in the Christian Medical Fellowship of Egypt and then to become its leader?
[00:05:36] Speaker D: Okay. It's a long story, but I, I will try to be in shortage.
I was, I entered faculty of medicine and I was very upset for it and I don't want to be in the medical field. So when I enter, when I attend CMF conference, God enlightened my think that it's an important thing and it's a Way in which God want me to walk in it.
So after that I served in CMF for about 15 years till now.
And God always asked me to be lead CMF and I was afraid. I refused many times. Many, many times.
[00:06:26] Speaker C: Of course.
[00:06:26] Speaker D: And after that I feel that God insists that I want you to be in this place and to be a voice for weak voices and to share our vision and our needs here in Egypt.
[00:06:43] Speaker B: How many members, how many of those participate in CMF Egypt?
[00:06:49] Speaker D: The regular members which are with us all the time is about 250 and we have a board of CMF is about 17 person.
And every year as in many students and postgraduate medical field join us about every year from 20 to 30 new person is joining us.
[00:07:16] Speaker B: I hear from Dr. Saunders who's the CEO of the International organization that this is the strongest movement of Christians in healthcare in all of the Middle East North Africa region.
[00:07:27] Speaker D: Yes, we started CMF here in Egypt from 1981. OK. Yeah. Before we had. We had bored.
So it's a great history of this organization and thanks God we feel that he wants his service to.
To be spontaneous in fear.
So we. We got through many obstacles but God was with us and.
And I think there is many of doctors of Egyptian doctors now are trained and know Jesus through cmf.
[00:08:14] Speaker B: How I've been touched at this conference has been the collaboration the working together of the another organization called Dewam. Yes, Doctors with a Mission together with cmf. You're all here together and you are facilitating Arab communities and others Arab physicians and dentists from all over this region to gather here. And I've met from Tunisia and Algeria, Jordan and Syria. It's just an amazing gathering.
[00:08:39] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:08:40] Speaker D: In Egypt we are lucky or very lucky that we have many organizations which is concentrate in medical field and try to serve God with medications. So I was from the first persons who founded the M also and I appreciate for that we CMF and the M are working to with each other to serve all medical field in all men in all South North Africa and Middle East.
[00:09:10] Speaker B: Now I'm told that you had a very interesting experience when you took your final exam in pharmacology.
[00:09:17] Speaker D: Yeah. So how did you know that?
[00:09:19] Speaker B: So I think you need to tell us what happened in this case, not your exam.
[00:09:24] Speaker D: It was a funny situation. I was very afraid from the oral exam of pharmacology in the faculty of Medicine. So when I entered to the doctor, he asked me what's your name? I told him I'm Greta. And so it was very difficult. Doctor, so I am Afraid that I will fail.
[00:09:44] Speaker B: So he told this is a choral exam.
[00:09:46] Speaker D: Yes.
Yeah. On them. And all the students was crying from him and difficulty of his question. So he. He told me, I will pass you I and make you success if you answer one question. But only one question. I was afraid. What is this question?
He said, tell me one film for Greta Garbo. You know him? I.
I know Greta Garbo. So he said, if you. If you told me one. One film, I will make you success. Succeed.
[00:10:18] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:10:19] Speaker D: Yes.
[00:10:20] Speaker B: And you had an answer.
[00:10:21] Speaker D: I answered him, I say that this film is gone with a wind. Okay. And he. He say, okay, bravo extract you are plus. And he didn't ask me any other questions.
[00:10:33] Speaker B: No pharmacologies, no pharmacology at all.
[00:10:37] Speaker D: The joke is after that, by six years, I discovered that it's pretty not a film for Gita garbage at all.
[00:10:44] Speaker B: He didn't know.
[00:10:45] Speaker D: He didn't know. Yeah, he didn't know and he don't want to say that he already didn't know. What is the meaning for Gita Garb?
[00:10:52] Speaker B: Well, on a more serious note, can you tell our. Tell us about what ministries, maybe two or three very special ministries that you would do as CMF Egypt. That really brings joy to the 200 or so who are part of your organization.
[00:11:10] Speaker D: We make many ministries and services in Christian medical fellowship.
We have two conferences per year, one at the summer and one for the winter. We concentrate about Yaspersons and students of medical field to ensure that they get the their salvation and know how and know Jesus. And after that we concentrate to training them in good way and medically. So we support the medical persons medically and spiritually. Okay. This the main important things in personal medical fellowship because we believe that one doctor can spread across the gospel to thousands of people. So if we send this message to 100 doctors. So we will send the gospel message to all.
[00:12:13] Speaker B: Many, many, many tens of thousands.
[00:12:15] Speaker D: Yes.
Second mission CMS is mobile clinics. Because here in Egypt there is many poverty and many poor people.
[00:12:25] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:12:27] Speaker D: So we can help them by our talent as medical persons and show them Jesus.
So we go about twice a month for mobile clinics to very poor areas in Cairo. No, in all over Egypt. All over Egypt.
And make a medical examination for them and give them drugs freely, free, completely, and show Jesus and God was for them.
[00:13:01] Speaker C: Wow. Yeah.
[00:13:02] Speaker B: Praise God for what you're doing. And of course that gets these younger people, the next generation used to that. This is going to be part of what I do.
[00:13:10] Speaker D: Yes, yes. We arrange them. We begin to train them and to be sure that they become to be believers. Then we then we ask them to share with us some bioclinics and then missioners.
[00:13:29] Speaker B: Are you able to demonstrate for them what it's like to also do the spiritual ministry to talk about the gospel as you're sharing with these port with the poor in the areas of your clinics?
[00:13:39] Speaker D: In the mobile clinics.
[00:13:41] Speaker B: Yes, in the mobile clinics, yeah.
[00:13:43] Speaker D: And mobile clinics we make a spiritual time for people who are waiting for the clinics and there is some persons between us are staying one to one with each of them and speak with them and hear what the problems after that. We also trained doctors to how to show Jesus through their examination to him because they almost used to be examined in governmental hospitals or anyway by a quick examination and don't care. Doctors don't care by them they are amazed that we are very careful with them and.
And treat them respect in very respect way. And we can talk with them that we will give you a treatment but God will heal you.
[00:14:45] Speaker C: Amen.
[00:14:45] Speaker D: So we will pray for you.
[00:14:47] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:14:48] Speaker D: And it's amazing.
There are many stories we find and we touch it in zombied plants.
[00:14:55] Speaker B: So speaking of prayer, our folks back in the U.S. our members and listeners, I think if you give them two or three prayer requests it would be so helpful and they would know how to pray for you in Egypt and in mena, the MENA region that you described.
[00:15:11] Speaker D: Yeah.
I hope you to pray for us for.
For elevate our budget because there is low budget and high demand here in Egypt and there is many poverty and poor persons. So pray for us and pray for forgot to send us with support for this ministry because we have a big ministry also I want you to pray that we are praying now for instruments in this global clinics because we want to be a very special mobile clinic with all instruments and equipments and devices.
We are praying now this to bring a new sonar sonography for it.
And please, please, please pray for all medical field here in Egypt to know God and believe in Jesus to help more peoples.
[00:16:16] Speaker B: Well, I want to thank you for taking the time and we're not in an air conditioned place, it's warm and this has been spontaneous. I mean I just ask you to come in and. And I appreciate you sharing with our listeners and I was just telling you a few minutes ago I have only a couple of words in Arabic that I have learned but one of those was from the phrase of our first conference because I have learned that just like in the US burnout and difficulties and stress is so high in the country of Egypt and so the conference was for physicians. Heal yourself, let go to the Lord.
[00:17:01] Speaker D: We are believe that the doctor is a sample or a picture of Jesus who is our great doctor and we hope to serve him as he do and go through his wake in healing persons or healing patients.
[00:17:26] Speaker B: Dr. Green, may God bless you and your council, your ward as you look to bring more people into this community.
[00:17:34] Speaker D: God's willing.
[00:17:35] Speaker B: Thank you. God bless you.
[00:17:36] Speaker C: So let's take it.
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[00:19:05] Speaker B: Let'S.
[00:19:06] Speaker A: Jump right back into this week episode.
[00:19:11] Speaker B: Well, part one of our program today was about student ministry in Egypt and part two is really a focus on student ministry here in the US and today I have Dara Love, who's a second year medical student in San Antonio and she was introduced to me and to our Vice President of Campus and Community Ministries, Bill Reichert by Mitzi Roberts, who's been working with the students there for many years.
And Mitzi wrote to us and told us that one of her first years who's become a second year, was facing the question of whether or not she should become a student leader.
And the recent death, the assassination of Charlie Kirk had a pretty significant impact upon Dara and her classmates. So I wanted her to share with you today that discussion and the information that Mitzi shared with us. So welcome today to faith and healthcare.
[00:20:06] Speaker C: Dara Love, thank you very much. It's very nice to meet you.
[00:20:09] Speaker B: So you're in your second year just A couple three months into that second year. Is that right?
[00:20:14] Speaker C: Yes, I am. So we started our second year back in July.
So very early start.
[00:20:20] Speaker B: And you told me from Kansas. And is anybody else medical in your family? Are you the first?
[00:20:25] Speaker C: So both of my parents are dentists, so I'm very lucky with that. My aunt is a dentist, My other aunt is a nurse practitioner. There's a lot of us that are pretty interested in healthcare.
[00:20:33] Speaker B: When did you get introduced to cmda? Was that as you started your first year?
[00:20:37] Speaker C: It was so Mitzi, as you talked about earlier, Mitzi is very involved in our campus and the CMDA chapter here is very big and welcoming and has fantastic people. And so I was introduced to cmda, just sort of looking in our.
We have a massive class group chat and so just seeing notifications in that and knowing that I wanted to be involved in faith community here on campus. And MITC creates a very warm, homey environment to be in.
[00:21:06] Speaker B: That doesn't surprise me at all. What are your favorite activities, you and the other students in your class and the second years?
[00:21:12] Speaker C: Everybody does different things. We have a pretty big class. But as far as activities go, I've recently taken up crocheting.
I love backpacking and camping. As far as doing things with my friends, we've recently started doing like blind, deaf, mute cooking challenges.
Like one person won't be able to see one person.
And so it gets pretty interesting.
[00:21:33] Speaker B: Well, wasn't that long ago that we were all shocked at the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And I guess what I read from an email from Mitzi is that a very large group over 50 were together and processing his death and how it happened and a conversation. And of course not everyone in the room necessarily had the same view of Charlie Kirk and his past. But out of that, your processing led to a rather interesting decision that you made. Could you just tell our listeners about how maybe just a little bit of background.
Did you follow Charlie Kirk before this happened or did this just come on your radar? Like frankly, it did for me. I really didn't know that much except what my daughters would tell me over the last couple, three years about Charlie Kirk. And then he died. And it really shook my daughters, young adults. So tell me a little bit about that background.
[00:22:26] Speaker C: So my background is I generally speaking, don't have a super intense interest in politics.
As a medical student, I don't. I don't have a ton of time to. I know a lot of my classmates are super involved, but for me personally, it wasn't something I was super interested In. So I didn't really know much about Tyler Kirk before his assassination. I don't really feel like I completely align with any party or platform.
And even now, most of what I know about Charlie Kirk is about his courage and his involvement in, like, having conversations.
And kind of immediately after those events, I was watching my classmates reactions to what had happened.
And there were a couple people that, you know, social media, everybody's on social media. Half of our social life is online. And so some of my classmates are posting memorials, you know, just quiet things here and there. Some people didn't do anything at all. But I was shocked at the number of people that had posted some pretty crazy stuff considering the context of what had just happened.
And I was kind of blown away at who I saw that was posting some of these things because there were some people that I would have expected, but then there were other people that I didn't expect as much.
And so it kind of made me realize not only is having discussions in the courageous way that Charlie Kirk was prone to do on these college campuses pretty rare in that format, but me having conversations honestly and openly about my thoughts and beliefs with my own classmates and friends was pretty rare.
And so it kind of highlighted the fact that this shouldn't be rare, that talking about our beliefs and our opinions, but beyond just opinions, what makes us who we are in those beliefs and values shouldn't be an abnormal thing.
And so before the shooting, I was considering becoming part of CMDA leadership, but I last minute decided not to, because when you become sort of part of CMDA leadership, there's a lot of forms you sign, there's a lot of things you're committing to. And I wasn't sure how my classmates would perceive some of those statements of beliefs, how residency programs might perceive those statements, and took a step back saying, okay, I can be part of student leadership without being a formal part of it. But after those events, after Charlie Kirk was killed, and made me realize that open discussion in a peaceful and friendly manner is so needed.
And being open about my beliefs and being open about my faith in support of others and their beliefs and their faith is necessary. I can't wait for other people to be willing to talk about what they're thinking and feeling and believing. I need to be able to be open about mine.
And so I decided to become more of a formal part of student leadership.
[00:25:36] Speaker B: And are you hearing that perspective also from other classmates, whether they're Christians and a part of the CMBA group or not? Is that conversation now more prevalent than it was before Charlie Crick's assassination.
[00:25:49] Speaker C: I think the dust is still settling on that. I think people are watching and waiting.
I think the assassination definitely highlighted how we do need more of a middle ground just in general.
But I think people are waiting to see if it will swing more extreme for some people versus like, versus bring forward that middle ground. I think among a lot of my classmates, it has made us want to have conversations with each other.
You know, like my classmates in CMDA Bible study, for example. Like, we talk more openly about things like in public environments and around each other and just about other things we believe in outside of what directly relates to our faith. But I think people are still figuring it out.
[00:26:36] Speaker B: So you reconsidered and you let Mitzi know that you were reconsidering your perspective about becoming a student leader. So tell me what's transpired.
[00:26:47] Speaker C: I decided to become a student leader because his courage in having those discussions shouldn't be abnormal, but it was. And it stands out because of that, because he was to say courageous over and over again because he was so courageous. And so I wanted to become a student leader in more of a formal capacity because whether or not I sign a paper saying I believe those things or not, I do.
And I think it's just important to be more open about what makes me who I am. And a big part of that is my faith.
[00:27:21] Speaker B: So as you look forward, I mean, you don't have a crystal ball, but you know, down the road, residency and possibly fellowship and then practice, how do you think God would be pleased in terms of your balancing what you believe and know to be true in your heart based upon Scripture, and then respecting your patients and their families and really your colleagues beliefs that you'll practice with someday? How do you see that coming together based upon the events of the recent past, whether with Charlie Kirk or otherwise, the events, conversations that have happened, how do you see your faith impacting your practice?
[00:28:02] Speaker C: That's kind of a hard thing to predict because again, I'm not in attending. I only get to watch what they do.
I'm at that stage.
[00:28:12] Speaker B: What would you like to see happen, Dara?
[00:28:14] Speaker C: I think something that's really realistic and personal to me is that my faith has defined what love means to me and what loving others through service is.
And so it, you know, it means if a patient wants to pray, I'll pray. You know, little things like that. But it also means that my ethical responsibilities in medicine and in life are very tightly interwoven with my faith and my motivations to Become a physician.
So I think for me it's going to mean supporting everyone in their beliefs, loving everyone thoroughly in every context, and doing so in a very honest and authentic way.
[00:28:57] Speaker B: Have you, had you or your classmates, are you aware of any times when you feel like you've been in moral distress because of what you've been asked to say or answers on a test?
I think a lot of our grad listeners would love to have just a little view into what it's like to be a first or second year medical student, even in a state like Texas, which generally has proven to be more conservative than other states.
But what is that like in the medical environment in terms of having to sort of wince with answers or conversations or discussions, anything like that that you could share with us?
[00:29:36] Speaker C: This. Well, what I will say is that being in Texas does make a lot of this pretty easy.
I mean, I was at a breast cancer awareness dinner the other night and they opened it with a prayer and it was not a faith based organization.
You know, I actually don't think that my curriculum has put me in a situation where I felt that I think everything has been framed when there are controversial things that we should discuss as people that are studying healthcare. I think it's always framed from a very respectful. We need to understand what everybody's saying about this kind of way. So I don't know if I can speak to my school specifically on that.
[00:30:16] Speaker B: What wisdom have you gained as a second year student?
I just looked up to the second year students who took us under their wings at Indiana University in 1984. They were my heroes. They'd made it through their first year medical school and they just seemed so together and with it and I just admired them. So what now is the second year?
What would you want to share with the first years? And you know, the importance of being a part of a fellowship like you've been a part of with Mitzi Roberts and others.
[00:30:45] Speaker C: Yeah, the importance of being part of a fellowship is a big part of it.
What I would share with other students is that we are here for a reason and God put you where you are for a reason. And God gave you the desires of your heart for a reason. And so usually the advice that I give the Ms. Ones here at long, I'm a Veritas peer advisor so I get to talk to Ms. Ones all the time is do what you're genuinely interested in.
And I think in a faith context, God gives us those desires for a reason. You know, do what you're good at too. Like Understand what you're good at and follow, you know, whatever's a combination of the two. And I'm not even talking specialty wise, but just in clubs and organizations and stay connected with community. And then in our case, of course, faith based community. I think we're very lucky here in San Antonio that Mitzi's built such an amazing chapter.
[00:31:34] Speaker B: Have you picked out? Are you thinking about a particular specialty or just undecided?
[00:31:40] Speaker C: I think I have, but I'm still finalizing some things on that.
[00:31:45] Speaker B: All right, so I won't make you commit to anything today, but general surgery is a pretty good specialty. That's just all I gotta say. I gotta leave it.
[00:31:53] Speaker C: I've heard a shout out a couple times.
[00:31:56] Speaker B: Very good. Well, dear Love, thank you for joining me today. And I was sharing with some adult daughters who are nurses about your last name and they said, what a great name, a Dr. Love.
I mean, who would not want to be called Dr. Love?
[00:32:12] Speaker C: I mean, really.
I know, I'm very excited for that.
I got very lucky.
[00:32:19] Speaker B: Well, God bless you as you continue and have influence over your classmates. And I just admire the step that you've taken. Yes, I'm going to become a student leader and whatever that means. God has you there for a reason as you've just shared with us and is going to take care of you and honor you because you're honoring him in your walk. So God bless you and pass our greetings to all the students there in the CMBA group in San Antonio.
[00:32:48] Speaker C: I will. Thank you very much.
[00:32:59] Speaker B: Many thanks to doctors with a mission team and to Dr. Greta for her faithful leadership and the work of the Christian Medical Fellowship in Egypt. And to my special guest, Dara Love for her testimony today.
From conference halls to village clinics to medical school corridors, one theme keeps surfacing, that of courageous whole purpose care in the name of Jesus Christ.
It grows where calling and conviction take root.
I want to invite you to take what you heard today a step further by first of all praying with us at CMDA for our brothers and sisters in Christ who are serving in healthcare across Egypt and the Gulf, in Northern Africa.
Ask the Lord to strengthen their hands and to open gospel doors through compassionate care in Jesus name.
Also by mentoring someone that's in your own sphere of influence. A student, a resident or a colleague who needs encouragement to stand firm with conviction as well as gentleness and humility by practicing whole person care, slowing down, frankly to ask deeper questions, to listen well and to be an intentional witness for Christ together. I think these are ways that we can live out the heart of CMDA's vision, and that is to bring the hope and healing of Christ to the world through healthcare professionals just like you and me.
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Well, next week we're going to be bringing you a special crossover episode with CMDA's voice of advocacy podcast, hosted by a familiar voice to you, our listeners, Dr. Brick Lance. He's CMDA's Vice President of Advocacy and Bioethics.
Brick actually occasionally joins me as co host here on Faith in Healthcare and in this conversation he's joined by Dr. Gary Ott.
Dr. Ott is a renowned cardiac transplant surgeon from Portland, Oregon and they explore the ethical and the spiritual challenges surrounding organ donation and end of life care.
With both professional insight and deep Christian conviction, Dr. Ott reflects on how faith guides him through some of healthcare's most profound questions, offering a moving look at life, death and the hope that we have in our Lord Jesus Christ.
Thanks for listening today to Faith in Healthcare, the weekly podcast from CMDA where our mission remains the bringing the hope and the healing of course Christ to the world through committed Christ followers in healthcare. That's what matters to us at cmda.
Friends, may you recognize this week that the Lord is with you and that he is for you to do his good work. Thanks for listening and we'll see you next time, Lord willing, on Faith in Healthcare.
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